How did Obi Wan overwhelm Darth Maul

[General Kenobi]

Hey ppl,

I am wondering if any can tell me how did Obi Wan overwhelm & defeat Darth Maul at the end battle of Ep I?? Maul had the high ground, Obi Wan was hanging on the ledge for his life... w/o a weapon ... all of a sudden Maul changes his facial expression.. then Obi Wan jumps out of the hole.... over Maul & force pulls Qui Gons saber & allow him to chop him in half!!

Now this makes me go Hmmmmm...??

[E-Wing]

you forget one very important thing, mate. it's called the Force. sorry about that, fell into my Jack Sparrow character for a second there. but yeah, he used the Force to do that.

[Chakotay]

A well mention topic my fren. The same reaction lots of viewers said after leaving the cinema 'Why Maul must die?' or 'Why die like that?'

For me, he is the most atheletic yet charismatic adversaries in SW & need more screen time compared to Jar Jar. But Obi Wan use the suprise elements on his final attack. Another thing, Obi Wan use his anger in defeating Maul...not really a Jedi way.

[kalkamel]

I think Maul's face changed when he smelled a foul odor coming from Obiwan. Obiwan remembered his training, when the Force fails... use the Fart. Maul was defeated in no time.

[General Kenobi]

Yeah cool, I buy that too.... Maul was surprised that a Jedi used his anger to overwhelm his situation & defeat his enemy. If Qui Gon had lived he would really disapprove of Obiwan doing that as well as might disown obiwan in the same instance. Cool, this factor also leads to my thot that is Qui Gon had not died at the hands of Maul..... Qui Gon wud mentor Anakin to be a master jedi & wipe out the sith for good in Ep III & there goes Ep IV - VI down the drain hehehh

[fishyahoo]

Actually, I didn't quite see Obi-Wan using Anger / Dark Side in that end move to defeat Darth Maul. It was when Qui-Gon was killed that Obi-Wan seemed fueled with anger at the start of the duel with Maul, of which the Sith Lord had more of a challenge defending and even temporarily overwhelmed when half this lightsaber was cut. But eventually, Obi-Wan's anger/ferocity could not match Maul's and he ended up in the precarious position of hanging off the ledge with Maul on the 'high-ground'. Perhaps it was then Obi-Wan realised that fighting using Anger / Dark Side could not match the Sith Lord and he reverted to Jedi ways of Peace / Meditation / Light Side to telekinetically launch himself upwards and collect Qui-Gon's lightsaber. So Maul's over confidence at that point enabled Obi-Wan to leap over him unopposed and eventually sliced him in half...

Whereas in ROTS, Obi-Wan on the 'high ground' was fully prepared with Anakin launch himself over him using similar move as Maul over a decade earlier. But in this case, Anakin was the over confident one...

Making sense hopefully...

[jadenlee]

Hi guys,

I believe there is darkness in all beings, the difference is that the Jedi often controls theirs emotions and tries to balance it towards the light, while the sith used it as a strength against their opponent. (If compared with Anakin he can't control his dark emotions which leads to his fall)

Naturally, It is a difficult thing to do for anyone including the Jedi, when Obiwan saw his master slained in front of his eyes, it is a weakness against obiwan but an advancement for Maul, he wish to instill hate/anger to weaken obiwan's focus or confident, the immediate reaction comes to mind would be to revenge and kill Maul, but that is not the Jedi way, I think obiwan tried that and fell into Maul's trap, when he falls into the pit he found a calm moment in the force and realised that he should not focus on revenge, I think or perhaps also his bond with his master has help given him strength to overcome his opponent.

Obiwan's success I think is because he has remain calm and focus in critical times. He has a talent to surprise his opponent, I remember he surprised Grevious when he drop down in front of him, and grevious said 'you are a bold one'.

The rest I agree with fishyahoo. Darth Maul is overconfident as well as Anakin. ;D

I think Maul is a great character, unfortunately we only see him once. There are a lot more stories before Episod I but it didn't get to the screen.

[General Kenobi]

Cool, thanks fish & Jaden for your inside on the incident.... I agree with u both too.... but the final back-breaker is that visually = what was potrayed by the actors + the editting... its looks that Maul was surprised to see the Jedi used anger.... but true-2-the-story-trilogies I wud go with your (fish & Jaden) conclusion theory of Obi got pissed off & used anger to try to incapasitate his enemy.... but later realising how foolish he was using hate to strengthen ones self against hate ... just isn't gonna win! Thanks A lot

** but on the side... visually it just didn't seem believable that while having high-ground Maul could just watch him jump over him - force pull saber - land & then chop him in half.... Maul din even blink!! heheheh ... Maybe the Force is stronger in us??!! Hmmm....

[arek]

According to the book, Obi-Wan let go of his anger, kept focus on defeating Maul and used the Force. Even though it still doesn't explain why Maul just stood there

[jadenlee]

Hi,

I think Maul didn't expect Obiwan to have any chance against him at all, because he doesn't even have a light saber and furthermore Maul have reason be confidant because he has already defeated Obiwan's master, so perhaps the thought that Gui gon's apprentice should'nt be any better than his master. Maul have good reason to believe that he has a better chance of defeating obiwan.

It was unexpected because Obiwan is different, he is a more carefull person than his master, gui gon is a risk taker(if you remember Padme was angry with Gui gon for taking such a risk when anakin has never won any podrace before), he does things differently than obiwan. It was perhaps a carefull and calculated move obiwan took, the rest I would say the force shows him the way that he could get to his opponent. (either he saw the opportunity, or that opening that Maul left unguarded, the right timing and moving his sabre to that right position, and Maul was defeated